When you pour that much solder on something to hold it; I call it slobbering. Wires were jammed through the solder lugs on the pots and slobbered on. And got my first surprise when I turned on the MCK. They shove those things down our throats, even though the first generation of Robot Gibbys were ostracized by 98% of the Gibson … For new OEM replacement parts you can visit the Gibson website. Sure, you could spend $60 on new tuners for it, but also consider how much more they're charging you for the G Force that you don't want in the first place. It's the principle. When you find it on Gibson’s web store, you’ll also find that it says, “Out Of Stock”. Privacy Policy | I have a thing for white SGs. A good friend of mine has on old A-style Gibson mandolin that was his dad's. Hi Forum. I mean, sure, you CAN easily tune a guitar yourself, but the robots are hella-accurate and are so quick! You can post now and register later. I unwrapped the Tronical battery, and wasn’t surprised to find no markings of any kind of the batteries. The headstock holes for the pegs of the machine heads are a standard Gibson size (roughly 10mm diameter) and will take standard Gibson machine heads. I decided to test out my NiMH pack to make sure it was going to work. They're not my cup of tea. As long as you take care not to over torque the nut, use whatever. $4 from eBay. After you take out the five screws holding the plastic cover on of course…. Nice to meet you. So I cleaned up the connections. Now who ever soldered on the battery wires was very good at their job. Very happy with the results. And no electronics of any kind. You did well! Maybe. Hooked up my pack through a couple of 12″ alligator test leads.   Your previous content has been restored. Very brittle. These are amazing authentic Gibson Tuners. Yeah I don't use a wrench with it.. just the bit and do it by hand (for that precise reason of not over tightening)... Its just that it fits nicely over the post and the washer will prevent it from ever touching the wood... nice little guide, and love the photos, might give this a try myself. I love everything about this mando except the tuners. Some folks just aren't into them. The robot part being the part that allows the guitar to tune itself. He said he didn't remember where he read about the tuners but he thought even the screw holes would line up. They were a direct drop in replacement on 3 Gibson guitars. -Manual tuners will out live robot tuners by more than 100 yrs.-Many post on this very forum section talks about either the robot tuners pulling one or more strings sharp and can't be corrected. (The Min-ETune tuners … In any case you have to learn somewhere if you own a guitar or amp or pay the high prices to get it done! I don't see the difficulty level unless someone is not good at soldering and wiring pots. After convincing Gibson to send me a replacement knob, I … Turns out, the electronics are fine, but Gibson (Tronical) decided in their not so infinite wisdom to use a NiMH battery to power the motorized tuners. I found the battery would never reach a full charge and it dropped pretty fast. The only drilling required is for the pilot holes for the screws of the new machine heads. If you don't like the Tronical tuners you can swap them with just about any tuners you like and come out ahead cash wise. So once I got to the last peg, I had to hold the Min-ETune unit to prevent it from falling off. While Gibson makes high quality guitars, their wiring and soldering ability leaves a lot to be worked on. Check them out here: http://bit.ly/2QHrIFb Tronical Robot Tuners Type a for Gibson Guitars Make and Models Multiple Tunings Brand: Tronical Tuners. Gibson Robot Guitar Battery Replacement. Note that if you’re doing this yourself. Now all you need to do is get a new truss rod cover and sell that G-Force on Ebay for $120 to $150! Here are a few photos showing how I replaced the Min-RTune unit and machine heads on my 2014 SG Standard. I immediately thought that there must be some “electronics” in the battery pack. Rated 4.5/5 … This is what the original battery looks like. The trick to using a drill is to buy a brand new bit that is sharp, and having a drill that isnt too … The technology was from Tronical and Gibson … Upload or insert images from URL. Looks so much better without those E-tuners. And yes, while my batteries might say 1300maH, well, that may or may not be the case. Wouldn't know a pro didn't do it. Does anyone know, first are these tuners … 6-month Special Financing Available ‡ Learn More. He was going to replace the tuners… The way I see it, I just got a 140 euro discount on the guitar I actually really wanted. Cost of replacement? Branded by Gibson initially as “Min-ETune” and then as “G FORCE,” the Powertune system is designed to automatically tune strings via a servo motor within each machine head. I keep trying to tell people that. Holy Cow!! In a couple of the holes there was a little excess lacquer, preventing me from screwing in the bushings. (The Min-ETune tuners do not use screws). The sale of the unit will more than cover the outlay for tuners and a new truss rod cover. It was sort of obvious they are using a pair of 1.2V AA sized batteries wired in series. Closer to 3.12V for a full charge. Try not to short them out when you get them apart. The Tronical unit came with a short stamped wrench about 1-1/2" long. Removing Min-ETune unit and machine heads and replacing them with manual machine heads. With the robot tuners, like I said in #1, I don't see much benefit that I'm getting in exchange for that increased risk. From those vibrations, the controller calculates the frequency. Thus for under $1,000 CDN I could buy a real Gibson SG. According to Gibson, the batteries are supposed to be good for 200 tunings. Just a couple quality screws and the install was done. It made its Gibson debut in … There’s a Velcro button on the back of the pack to hold it in place. [thumbup]. I said "how about 200 euros?" 2.9 out of 5 stars 15 ratings ... – Locking String Vintage Deluxe Tuning Key Pegs Nickel Tuners Set Replacement … Congratulations. Paste as plain text instead, × No LED’s, no flash. A few years ago, a local music store was blowing out the Gibson SG Robot Guitar. I got mine in 2009. That's cool. Created by Chris Adams, the designer behind Gibson's Robot Guitar auto-tuning system, the TronicalTune is essentially the same concept as Gibson… Terms & Conditions | Registered Trademarks. The technology was from Tronical and Gibson … The connectors used are press fit, remind me of RC connectors. As of lately, the tuning has been sort of hit and miss so I started to become somewhat concerned about the electronics. Product Registration Customer Service Repair and Restoration Report Counterfeits Serial Number FAQ Gibson Guitar Specs (2015-2019) Dealer Resource Center Locate A -Many posts here talk about the tuners just stop turning. Best case is my pack would work. Of course I’d heard some of the horror stories about the guitar, all electronics being somewhat unreliable and so on. I decided to see if I could charge my NiMH pack. GOR) is a limited-edition self-tuning Gibson guitar, typically a Les Paul. Free shipping for many products! Very nice workmanship. I'm pondering the idea of replacing the tuners on my 1916 Gibson A - Paddlehead. Tronical, bless them for this, listed the battery as 2.4V 2200maH. He took it to the Gibson factory and they told him it was as 1950-1955 - everything is original and it's in great condition, but the old buttons are cracking and falling off. The only thing I will add to what you did was that when you take the nuts off the front (same with pots and the output jack) is that rather than use a wrench like you used, its much easier and safer to use a socket wrench bit (11 or 12mm I think).. Apart from that (and that's just a tiny thing really, use what works), great job you did there. Not to mention a $3500 USD price tag. Absolutely. I just pushed the pegs all the way through, loosely fitting the nuts and washers at the front, and lined up the machine heads until I was happy they were straight. The robot part being the part that allows the guitar to tune itself. But yours turned out great without the wax! I finally needed to charge it and my battery and … The robot part being the part that allows the guitar to tune itself. The only drilling required is for the pilot holes for the screws of the new machine heads. By I selected a drill bit which was the same size or with a smaller diameter then the shaft of the screws. Set it to 2.4V. That looks fantastic!   You cannot paste images directly. June 21, 2014 Posted in Electronics, Guitar 0 Likes 52 Views. Put the battery in, replaced the plastic covering, tested it, connected the charger and..presto. The controller can sense the vibration of the strings. I haven't tried G-force since the 2015 models though, it left a bad enough taste in my mouth I won't be trying any more. I tested the screw out on a hole I drilled in some alumnium with the same bit (just to be on the safe side to make sure the screws would bite), I roughly noted the length of the screws on the drill bit with tape to act as a stop, so that I wouldn't drill too deep, I then carefully drilled the holes and fitted the screws, I then fitted and tightened the washers ad nuts on the front of the headstock (these don't need to be tightened very strongly, just so hat they are firmly fastened and don't come loose, but without indenting the wood). Took me maybe 20 minutes and I'm no good with my hands. The Robot is easy to switch over too. #My tuners are badly worn and I seem to be retuning as much as our banjo player. Tuning. I ordered without mini etune.   Pasted as rich text. With the pack connected with 12″ alligator test leads, there was no way it would charge. They are worth maybe $400 at most. It managed to light some of the LED’s. If somehow that should fail, you could simply unlatch the tuning pegs from their mini-motors and tune it the same old way we all do and press in the pegs to relatch them. A few years ago, a local music store was blowing out the Gibson SG Robot Guitar. Nothing. × Copyright 2019 Gibson Brands, Inc. All rights reserved. ... A few years ago, a local music store was blowing out the Gibson SG Robot Guitar. Gibson Accessories Vintage Tuning Machine Heads - Nickel with Green Buttons Vintage-style Tuners with Pearloid Buttons - Nickel $89.99. But when I went to tune the thing, twisting the knobs in the same way I’ve twisted knobs for the past 20 years, one of them came loose. The great thing about the new Min-eTune and G-Force systems are that they can be swapped out so easily. Working like a champ. Hamburg, Germany (April 9, 2013) -- Tronical has announced the world's first retrofit autonomous auto tune system, the TronicalTune. As I saw it, a chance to own a top quality USA made guitar and it didn’t matter a fig if the electronics last two weeks or twenty years. They include it because they do not want you to over torque the nuts when installing. Which tells me that at the lower end of 2.4V you don’t have much life left in the batteries. and sell that G-Force on Ebay for $120 to $150! The motors are attached to a controller module. I assumed the batteries were dead, but they still had more than half a charge in them. I removed the heavy grovers from a Es-339 and Es-335 and these fit perfectly. All the ear marks of a NiMH battery that is on its way to the recycle depot. The headstock holes for the pegs of the machine heads are a standard Gibson size (roughly 10mm diameter) and will take standard Gibson machine heads. Then it was job done! Yep. The only remaining source is Tronical and that’s going to cost upwards of a $100 or possibly more with shipping from Germany. A friend told me he read somewhere that you could now buy tuners that are an exact replacement for the tuners on a Gibson A-1. Buying items such as the G-Force battery directly from Gibson assures you that you are getting a genuine Gibson part. Wouldn't know a pro didn't do it. I then marked the locating for the pilot holes (I actually ended up drilling with the machine heads still on). I just picked up a 50's Tribute Goldtop. Visit the Gibson … The first run of limited edition Robot Guitars was exclusively made up of Les Paul bodies. Clear editor. Then bound the pack in electrical tape. Seems these things are pretty popular with folk wanting to retrofit them. At any rate I figured that the worst case was I’d have to order a replacement battery from Tronical. Personally, I have a bigger problem with all the chrome they stuck all over the HP models than the robot tuners. I had the Min-ETune on ebay and some guy asked for a "buy it now". Just remove the MCK, and tuners and put regular tuners on and get 500K pot and solder in same as a standard LP. Nothing. #I don't want to drill any new holes in the mando, but I wouldn't have a problem drilling new holes in the new tuners … ricardo_vicente, February 10, 2015 in Gibson USA. By submitting this form you are agreeing to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy. I doubt that I ever tuned it that much. 2 | P a g e Contents 03 asic Gibson G FORE™ Functions: Start Here 04 Main Tuning Preset Bank Default Tunings 05 Low Tuning Preset Bank Default Tunings 06 Re-Stringing Guitars with Gibson G FORE™ 09 Changing the Gibson G FORCE Battery 09 Overview: How to Choose, Access, and Edit Advanced Functions 11 Tuning Functions ( Category) 11 String Up/Down 11 Custom Tuning Not really a big deal! If you buy the unit new over here, it will cost you 299, so it was still an OK deal. I would never buy another gibson, I’d rather buy a knock off and modify it to my liking (which I have) than spend $4,000-5,000 on a robot made les paul. Well I tried these for a few days. That's one sharp guitar. The technology was from Tronical and Gibson used it. Display as a link instead, × I soldered the wires on to the tabs of my own battery pack. I changed the min-ETune electronic tuning system on my Gibson SG for a set of Tonepros Kluson tuning machines. I for one am old school. The nuts which clamp the strings in place have to be unscrewed a little to remove the strings, They will screw all the way off so you have to be careful not to lose them, Strings off, along with the bridge and saddles, I then carefully unfastened the nuts on the tuner pegs at the front of the headstock, This is the only thing holding on the machine heads and the Min-ETune unit. That looks fantastic! I guess I'm more old school than I thought. Looks like a huge improvement to my eyes too.   Your link has been automatically embedded. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Min-ETune™ - INDEX Min-ETune™ ovErvIEw 1 TuNE CoNTrollEr 2 GETTING STA r TED STRING YOUR GUITAR 3-6 hOw TO TUN e / Add ITIONA l INfO 7-8 STArT To TuNE MUlTI-STRING / SING le- STRING TUNING … Gibson's new auto-tuning system, G FORCE, is now available on a range of 2015 guitars. The Min-ETune reminds us of the Limited Edition Robot Guitars that Gibson released a few years back. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Gibson USA Les Paul G-force Robot Tuners Tuning Pegs at the best online prices at eBay! I used a drill instead of a reamer. Here is a quick summary of the Gibson Robot Guitar: Gibson incorporated a mechanical tuner … I replaced the tuners on my SG Junior with Gibson Deluxe tuners. However, the store was blowing these out for less than 30% of their list price. But certainly cheap enough I can throw them out every year and still be ahead of the game. The new tuners and the cover didn't cost you $100 I bet. There are many sites that sell low-quality, knock-off products. Now all you need to do is get a new truss rod cover and sell that G-Force on Ebay for $120 to $150! Basically there are small, lightweight motors inside each of the machine head. × My conclusion is that the length of those battery wires is crucial for the onboard electronics to not only detect the battery but also to charge it. After some investigation, I found that the electronics was used for one thing. At the time, a standard SG without the electronic tuning sold for more. I carefully scraped it out with a blade. The guitar was still a USA made premium guitar. These motors can tighten or loosen the strings. Nothing like the old Robot Guitars. While I was in there, I checked out the wiring as well. Gibson Robot Guitar Battery Replacement. I liked everything you did here...except that when installing those little screws I like to use a bit of wax to keep the screws from breaking when tightening them up. On that note, if it does break, you're looking at at least $300 unless you want to go back to normal tuners , and given all six tuners … I have a number of 1.2V 1300mAH cells in the shop here so I planned to make my own pack. I used a soldering gun to remove them (could have with a low wattage iron, but easier with a gun). I would say that most ORIGINAL Gibson SG are not, except those with replacement tuners. I think swapping out the new Min-eTune system is going to be a lot less intimidating for most players. I disconnected the NiMH pack and plugged in my bench power supply. If the frequency is not what the string is programmed to be, then the controller sends a signal to the machine head motor and instructs it to either tighte… I prepared by unwinding the strings as per the user manual for the Min-ETune. G-force isn't something I'd want though, I can step on my Polytune and change my tuning between songs easy enough. They are a great option when you want lightweight tuners … It was a simple process which required no reaming and no particular skills I am neither a lthier nor a guitar tech). Gibson Brands, Inc. respects your right to privacy. Some time ago I purchased a 2013 Gibson Les Paul with Min-ETune. Took maybe 25 minutes to install. (roughly $227 US) and he said "OK". A single NiMH cell is 1.2V. Easy or hard really depends on the skill level of the person doing the conversion. I had more than 10 SG's (sixties juniors, special, 90's Standard and '61 reissue ... ) and the only neck-heavy ones were the Pete Townshend (first edition - grover tuners… Now all you need to do is get a new truss rod cover. For a rather short period of time. You can see the Tronical battery and the big red and black power wires clearly under the plastic. Probably closer to half of that. Having been dealing with radio controlled models for years, I know about the lifespan of NiMH batteries. One capacitor had broken away because the leads had been nipped by a wire stripper. Five different Gibson models were available (2008-2011, Robot X-plorer 2008-2012)) with Robot Guitar features: The Robot Les Paul Studio, Robot SG, Robot Flying V, Robot X-plorer, and a Robot … My outlay for the tuners and trussrod cover was 60 euros in total. Post Views: 4,545. Nice job! The Gibson Robot Guitar (a.k.a. It did not come with a charger, so Gibson sent me a new one. And got my second surprise. Which put it out of reach for all but the rather well heeled clientele.